Comments on: Distressing times for the Rails community http://aimee.mychores.co.uk/2009/04/30/post/568/distressing-times-for-the-rails-community aimee's personal journal Mon, 15 Mar 2010 10:25:45 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: opinailpolish http://aimee.mychores.co.uk/2009/04/30/post/568/distressing-times-for-the-rails-community/comment-page-1#comment-11447 opinailpolish Fri, 12 Feb 2010 12:48:18 +0000 http://aimee.mychores.co.uk/?p=568#comment-11447 Thanks for such a great post and the review, I am totally impressed! Keep stuff like this coming.<br><a href="http://www.buyacaiberry7.com/" rel="nofollow">weight loss pills</a><br><a href="http://www.nailpolishcare.com/" rel="nofollow">OPI nail polish </a> Thanks for such a great post and the review, I am totally impressed! Keep stuff like this coming.
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]]> By: Web Design Lexington http://aimee.mychores.co.uk/2009/04/30/post/568/distressing-times-for-the-rails-community/comment-page-1#comment-11131 Web Design Lexington Sun, 01 Nov 2009 20:46:37 +0000 http://aimee.mychores.co.uk/?p=568#comment-11131 I find this quite intriguing. Rants for some untoward feelings earned after a discussion should be welcomed with a "smile". I find this quite intriguing. Rants for some untoward feelings earned after a discussion should be welcomed with a "smile".

]]> By: dementia signage http://aimee.mychores.co.uk/2009/04/30/post/568/distressing-times-for-the-rails-community/comment-page-1#comment-10652 dementia signage Mon, 03 Aug 2009 02:38:27 +0000 http://aimee.mychores.co.uk/?p=568#comment-10652 You can't please everybody all the time, but there are basic precautions that you can take, and when you have made a mistake, you can take responsibility for it and apologise for it. You can't please everybody all the time, but there are basic precautions that you can take, and when you have made a mistake, you can take responsibility for it and apologise for it.

]]> By: Wall dives http://aimee.mychores.co.uk/2009/04/30/post/568/distressing-times-for-the-rails-community/comment-page-1#comment-10293 Wall dives Tue, 05 May 2009 16:32:44 +0000 http://aimee.mychores.co.uk/?p=568#comment-10293 A community now driven by dogma and strong personalities no longer by pragmatism.Matt Aimonetti's pr0n photos in his presentation just goes to demonstrate the wider issue. He was only thinking about his buddies and what would make them laugh rather than thinking of a wider more inclusive audience. A community now driven by dogma and strong personalities no longer by pragmatism.Matt Aimonetti's pr0n photos in his presentation just goes to demonstrate the wider issue. He was only thinking about his buddies and what would make them laugh rather than thinking of a wider more inclusive audience.

]]> By: Aimee http://aimee.mychores.co.uk/2009/04/30/post/568/distressing-times-for-the-rails-community/comment-page-1#comment-10281 Aimee Fri, 01 May 2009 11:55:24 +0000 http://aimee.mychores.co.uk/?p=568#comment-10281 Yes, correct. I didn't really think that this was much of a gender issue at all. However, it has been refreshing to hear so many female programmers speaking up as a result of this. Yes, correct. I didn't really think that this was much of a gender issue at all. However, it has been refreshing to hear so many female programmers speaking up as a result of this.

]]> By: Aimee http://aimee.mychores.co.uk/2009/04/30/post/568/distressing-times-for-the-rails-community/comment-page-1#comment-10280 Aimee Fri, 01 May 2009 11:53:57 +0000 http://aimee.mychores.co.uk/?p=568#comment-10280 Wow, Susan, i am honoured to have you comment on my blog, and i agree whole-heartedly with what you have to say.<br><br>I hadn't really been able to put my finger on what exactly is wrong here, but your explanation of the "club" mentality explains it so well. If we're not careful, we are headed towards a fragmented us-versus-them, in-or-out community. I do not want that. Let's not lose focus of why we are a community in the first place - it's all about the code! Wow, Susan, i am honoured to have you comment on my blog, and i agree whole-heartedly with what you have to say.

I hadn't really been able to put my finger on what exactly is wrong here, but your explanation of the "club" mentality explains it so well. If we're not careful, we are headed towards a fragmented us-versus-them, in-or-out community. I do not want that. Let's not lose focus of why we are a community in the first place – it's all about the code!

]]> By: Susan Potter http://aimee.mychores.co.uk/2009/04/30/post/568/distressing-times-for-the-rails-community/comment-page-1#comment-10276 Susan Potter Thu, 30 Apr 2009 15:51:14 +0000 http://aimee.mychores.co.uk/?p=568#comment-10276 I wanted to make one thing clear. The "club" mentality when not based on merit has detrimental effects for all those that can't be bothered to brown nose their way into the exclusive club membership. Not at all specific to gender or sex! I wanted to make one thing clear. The "club" mentality when not based on merit has detrimental effects for all those that can't be bothered to brown nose their way into the exclusive club membership. Not at all specific to gender or sex!

]]> By: Susan Potter http://aimee.mychores.co.uk/2009/04/30/post/568/distressing-times-for-the-rails-community/comment-page-1#comment-10275 Susan Potter Thu, 30 Apr 2009 15:46:33 +0000 http://aimee.mychores.co.uk/?p=568#comment-10275 I think the problem with the Rails "community" is that it quickly became in an ol' boys network (not necessarily just men, just using the expression to mean you have to be in the circle or club to get anywhere in that sphere). A community now driven by dogma and strong personalities no longer by pragmatism or substance.<br><br>This has been a problem for a couple of years already. Matt Aimonetti's pr0n photos in his presentation just goes to demonstrate the wider issue. He was only thinking about his buddies and what would make them laugh rather than thinking of a wider more inclusive audience. I contend the reason is because the Rails community has been hard-wired as a "club" for quite some time now.<br><br>As a woman I personally did NOT take offense to the photos I saw in the presentation slides that I saw online (although I wasn't sure if it had been sanitized or not?), so the pr0n at a presentation to me is simply endemic of the "club" mentality of Rails as a whole. From where I am standing this is a much bigger issue for the Rails world than just a demonstration of sexism at one presentation by one presenter.<br><br>I would like to point out that I consider the Rails community quite separate from the Ruby community and do not think this of the Ruby community.<br><br>Perhaps the Rails world can think about the "club" mentality of what was demonstrated here NOT just the "pornography", because I feel like that is just one manifestation of the larger problem.<br><br>"Club" mentality might be warranted if Rails rallied around merit, rather than who can swear the most in one sentence or shout the loudest. Looking at 90% of the most popular Rails plugins you should see how appalling the quality of code is. Where is the merit in this club? I think the problem with the Rails "community" is that it quickly became in an ol' boys network (not necessarily just men, just using the expression to mean you have to be in the circle or club to get anywhere in that sphere). A community now driven by dogma and strong personalities no longer by pragmatism or substance.

This has been a problem for a couple of years already. Matt Aimonetti's pr0n photos in his presentation just goes to demonstrate the wider issue. He was only thinking about his buddies and what would make them laugh rather than thinking of a wider more inclusive audience. I contend the reason is because the Rails community has been hard-wired as a "club" for quite some time now.

As a woman I personally did NOT take offense to the photos I saw in the presentation slides that I saw online (although I wasn't sure if it had been sanitized or not?), so the pr0n at a presentation to me is simply endemic of the "club" mentality of Rails as a whole. From where I am standing this is a much bigger issue for the Rails world than just a demonstration of sexism at one presentation by one presenter.

I would like to point out that I consider the Rails community quite separate from the Ruby community and do not think this of the Ruby community.

Perhaps the Rails world can think about the "club" mentality of what was demonstrated here NOT just the "pornography", because I feel like that is just one manifestation of the larger problem.

"Club" mentality might be warranted if Rails rallied around merit, rather than who can swear the most in one sentence or shout the loudest. Looking at 90% of the most popular Rails plugins you should see how appalling the quality of code is. Where is the merit in this club?

]]> By: backpackerresources http://aimee.mychores.co.uk/2009/04/30/post/568/distressing-times-for-the-rails-community/comment-page-1#comment-10274 backpackerresources Thu, 30 Apr 2009 08:40:27 +0000 http://aimee.mychores.co.uk/?p=568#comment-10274 We cannot please everybody indeed but the most important thing to keep in mind is to please the Heavenly powerful. If the conscience is clear as the clear sky, then by all means don't worry about other people's offending remarks. Remember, different people have differing views. We cannot please everybody indeed but the most important thing to keep in mind is to please the Heavenly powerful. If the conscience is clear as the clear sky, then by all means don't worry about other people's offending remarks. Remember, different people have differing views.

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